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Vice President Dick Cheney doesn't support water boarding, he supports using dunking as an interrogation tool. As usual the leftist media and so many of the liberal supporters don't have a clue that there is a difference between what Dick Cheney supports (dunking) and water boarding.
Water boarding as described by CIA Director Porter Goss used by interrogators is as follws:
The prisoner is bound to an inclined board, feet raised and head slightly below the feet. Cellophane is wrapped over the prisoner's face and water is poured over him. Unavoidably, the gag reflex kicks in and a terrifying fear of drowning leads to almost instant pleas to bring the treatment to a halt. According to the sources, CIA officers who subjected themselves to the water boarding technique lasted an average of 14 seconds before caving in.
So you can clearly see that what Dick Cheney talked about in the interview clearly is not water boarding, so you and all of the leftist media are making false accusation against the Vice President.
I find it abhorrent that the US would condone torture in any form. We are only lowering ourselves to the standards of those we fight against.
Jill,
I guess you would prefer we just ask them nicely if they will tell us there hidden plans to kill as many Americans as they can and if they refuse we just let them go. Well, I am sorry to tell you that is ridiculous and insulting to our troops that are being killed by these enemy combatants you are protecting with your attacks on our government. These killers don't deserve compassion, they only deserve the same treatment they are planning on inflicting on us if they are allowed to prevail.
I have no problem with senior al-Qaida suspects being subjected to water-boarding.
I went through it in training as many have before me and after me.
It's real scary at a primal level and the panic triggers deep psychological responses that break down conscious and sub-conscious barriers to interrogation.
Water-boarding is very effective when used as part of a holistic approach to interrogation.
Initially, all the Intel harvested during the 1st session is highly suspect and treated as such.
During the time between the sessions the subject makes core survival decisions both consciously and sub-consciously that will surface the Intel with verifiable details in order to avoid the 2nd session.
Occasionally, the very strong willed may resist but will eventually succumb and provide the verifiable Intel.
It all goes to fill in the overall details.
Personally, I prefer chemical interrogations, but that’s just me.
When the tables are turned al-Qaida has no controls on their behavior and will do absolutely anything to anyone.
The shallow argument that we should not sink to their level comes from an idealistic paradigm that has no validity in the context of modern terrorism, where a single individual acts as a self contained suicide unit capable mass destruction of life; and command and control of said resources are maintained within a social network using anonymous communications mediums to provide insulation and cover for the leaders and willingly sacrifice anyone else's children, just not their own.
When an active player is captured, you have to get a brain dump by whatever means works, and water-boarding works when used as part of an overall approach to interrogation.
War is hell, always has been, always will be. The nature of war has not changed; the social acceptability or palatability of the means and tools of war has changed.
When you get down to the point, "where the metal hits the meat"; it's survival by any means. Torture, while not socially acceptable, none the less is a very real and usable tool of war. Our enemies will not hesitate to use it for its value, even if only used for propaganda or psychological ends, and we have to be prepared to face it and deal with it as a reality, and use it where it is uniquely capable of harvesting information from our enemies.
Ultimately, the enemy can control his destiny to great degree by cooperating and providing the Intel. This is a hard pill to swallow when a captive; but ultimately, everyone breaks. No one can withstand skilled interrogation over time. It's like gambling in a Casino; you may win minor victories but ultimately the House wins so you better be prepared to cut your losses.
Philosophers don't fight the wars, nor do the press or the socially hyper-conscious or the politicians or the diplomats and certainly not the cowardly who won't fight at all; not even for their own survival and certainly not the survival of others.
To a Warrior, actively engaged "where the metal hits the meat", none of the above entities are there to fight side-by-side with the warrior; but the above reside in relative safety and security and from that insulated position feel they possess superior insight into the nature of war, when in fact they only possess opinion, supported by socially acceptable and unrealistically lofty standards of behavior that they would instantly vacate if they found themselves "where the metal hits the meat", or perish.
Dave Dragon
US Veteran
http://davedragon.blogspot.com
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